Episode 2067: Dave Smith
Geopolitical Misinformation: When Comedy Meets Foreign Policy
Joe Rogan’s episode 2067 featuring comedian and libertarian political commentator Dave Smith exemplifies the dangers of platforming unqualified individuals to discuss complex geopolitical conflicts. Over the course of this conversation, Smith made numerous misleading claims about the Russia-Ukraine war, Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and international relations - all presented with the confidence of expertise but lacking the nuance, context, and factual grounding that such serious topics demand.
The Guest: A Comedian Posing as Foreign Policy Expert
Dave Smith is a stand-up comedian who hosts the libertarian podcast “Part of the Problem” and co-hosts “Legion of Skanks.” While he has every right to his political opinions, his platform gives him no special insight into international relations, military strategy, or Middle Eastern history. Yet Rogan treated Smith’s geopolitical commentary with the same deference he might give an actual foreign policy scholar or regional expert.
This pattern - elevating entertainers and podcasters to the status of informed authorities on complex global issues - is a recurring problem with The Joe Rogan Experience that has real-world consequences for public understanding of critical events.
The NATO Expansion Myth
Smith repeated a longstanding piece of Russian propaganda: that Western leaders promised NATO would not expand eastward after the Cold War, and that this broken promise justifies or explains Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
The Claim: Smith argued that when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, it was “verbally promised and put in writing that NATO would not expand one inch to the east,” and that “every single president since then has moved NATO east” until “NATO is now on Russia’s border.”
The Reality: This claim has been thoroughly debunked by historians and participants in those negotiations:
- Mikhail Gorbachev himself stated in 2014: “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years.”
- While U.S. Secretary of State James Baker and German officials floated the idea in early 1990 discussions about German reunification, it was quickly dropped and never formalized.
- NATO as an organization made no such pledge, and no formal agreement restricted NATO expansion.
- The claim that promises were made “in writing” is simply false - no such documents exist.
Smith’s version eliminates crucial context: that Eastern European nations actively sought NATO membership as protection from Russian aggression, that they are sovereign nations with the right to choose their own security arrangements, and that Russia’s invasions of Georgia (2008) and Ukraine (2014, 2022) validated their security concerns.
The Boris Johnson Negotiation Fiction
Smith promoted another widely debunked claim: that U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson sabotaged peace negotiations between Ukraine and Russia in April 2022, telling Ukraine not to negotiate with Putin.
The Claim: According to Smith, “America through Boris Johnson told Ukraine not to negotiate with Russia at the beginning of the war, when they had a deal worked out” where Putin would withdraw if Ukraine guaranteed autonomy for Donbas and agreed never to join NATO.
The Reality: Multiple investigations have found this narrative lacks evidence:
- Ukrainian parliamentary leader Davit Arakhamia, who made initial comments that fed this narrative, later denied that Ukraine was ready to sign or that Johnson stopped them.
- EU fact-checkers concluded “there is no evidence to claim that the US or the UK prohibited Ukraine to sign a settlement agreement with Russia in 2022.”
- The negotiations collapsed for multiple reasons, including Ukrainian distrust after Russian atrocities in Bucha, disagreement over security guarantees, and the fact that the proposal didn’t address territorial questions.
This narrative serves Russian interests by suggesting Ukraine is a puppet of Western powers rather than an independent nation fighting for its survival. It also ignores that Russia’s demands included territorial concessions and permanent limitations on Ukrainian sovereignty.
Netanyahu and Hamas: Conspiracy Without Context
Smith made inflammatory claims about Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s relationship with Hamas, stating it was Netanyahu’s “strategy for years to prop up Hamas specifically because then there would be no negotiating a state for the Palestinians.”
While there is reporting that Netanyahu preferred dealing with Hamas over the Palestinian Authority for tactical reasons, Smith’s framing removes all nuance:
- Israeli policy toward Hamas was complex and shifted over time, driven by multiple competing interests within Israeli politics.
- Characterizing Israeli policy as deliberately “propping up Hamas” oversimplifies decades of failed peace processes, Palestinian internal divisions, and security concerns.
- Smith acknowledged this “is going to sound like a conspiracy theory” but claimed it was “totally 100% true” - using certainty to compensate for lacking expertise in Middle Eastern politics.
The Pattern: Libertarian Ideology Over Evidence
Throughout the episode, Smith filtered complex geopolitical realities through a simplistic libertarian framework: all wars are bad, American involvement is always wrong, official narratives are always lies. This ideological lens prevented any genuine engagement with the actual complexities of:
- Why Eastern European nations sought NATO membership
- Ukrainian agency and decision-making in defending their country
- The difference between explaining context and justifying aggression
- The reality that sometimes there are no good options, only less terrible ones
Media Criticism as Carte Blanche for Alternative Misinformation
Smith and Rogan spent considerable time criticizing mainstream media coverage of Ukraine, presenting it as uniformly propagandistic. Their solution? Trust alternative media sources and podcasters who tell “the real story.”
The irony is that while correctly noting that mainstream media can be incomplete or biased, they replaced it with demonstrably false narratives from alternative sources - narratives that often originate from or align with Russian state propaganda.
Being skeptical of mainstream media doesn’t mean accepting any alternative narrative uncritically. It means developing media literacy, consulting multiple sources including actual experts, and understanding that complexity requires nuance, not just a different set of simplified talking points.
The Misinformation Amplification Effect
The combination of Rogan’s massive audience and his failure to challenge Smith’s claims creates a powerful misinformation amplification system. When a comedian presents debunked narratives about ongoing wars to millions of listeners, with a trusted host nodding along, the impact extends far beyond entertainment.
Research consistently shows that false information, once embedded in people’s understanding, is extremely difficult to correct. By the time fact-checkers and experts respond, the narrative has already spread and solidified.
What Responsible Coverage Looks Like
If Rogan genuinely wanted to explore these complex topics, he could have:
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Featured actual experts: International relations scholars, regional specialists, and diplomatic historians rather than a comedian with strong opinions.
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Provided balance: If hosting Smith’s perspective, include voices with opposing views or factual expertise to challenge unsupported claims in real-time.
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Demanded evidence: When Smith made claims about secret NATO promises or Johnson sabotaging negotiations, ask for specific sources and documentation.
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Added context: Explain that Eastern European nations are sovereign countries with agency, not pawns on a chessboard.
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Distinguished opinion from fact: Make clear when discussing someone’s political views versus established historical record.
The Broader Pattern
This episode gained additional notoriety when it led to a subsequent confrontation between Smith and writer Douglas Murray, who criticized Rogan’s platform for “throwing out counter-historical stuff of a very dangerous kind.” Murray’s frustration reflected a broader concern: that The Joe Rogan Experience has become a vector for geopolitical misinformation during a time of actual war and humanitarian crisis.
The Dave Smith-Douglas Murray debate “epitomizes the divide on the political Right,” but more importantly, it highlighted how Rogan’s platform allows misinformation to flow unchallenged until someone finally pushes back - and by then, millions have already absorbed false narratives as fact.
Conclusion
Episode 2067 demonstrates why expertise matters, especially when discussing topics with real-world consequences. The Russia-Ukraine war has killed hundreds of thousands of people. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict involves decades of tragedy and competing claims. These are not topics where a comedian’s confident assertions should go unchallenged.
Dave Smith is entitled to his libertarian views on foreign policy. But when he presents debunked narratives about NATO promises, fabricated stories about sabotaged peace talks, and oversimplified conspiracy theories about complex regional conflicts, Joe Rogan has a responsibility to provide pushback, context, or counterpoint.
Instead, this episode offered nearly three hours of geopolitical misinformation, packaged as truth-telling alternative media, delivered to one of the largest audiences in podcasting. That’s not just poor journalism - it’s actively harmful to public understanding of critical global events.